Bereavement: Outside people are afraid of feeling bad. “The ideal response is to lean in and recognize the grief and anguish.”

Matt and Myra, parents of Havi and Kaia, discuss what it felt like after Havi passed when the world seemed to be moving on while they were experiencing intense grief. Matt explores the ideal situation in which people would understand that grief may change how it shows up, but doesn’t ever go away. Myra speaks to a hope there will be a more community based approach to understanding grief so that both sides are educated in the experience of the other